Playing with long hitters

Slicer51 wrote:

Here another friend of mine. A Korean single HCP player. He drove avg of 280 meter easily. Looking at his swing does not see much power in it. In fact, there were motion in his lower body in his back swing ( I was told by another friend).

I still remember my last Sunday game with him. I say " I cannot drive far, must be my shaft or driver". He asked to borrow my driver in one of the hole and still drive as far as it can... I was so embarrassing that hoping that is a pin hole big enough for my head to go in....

However, I need to mention this, is that his up and down shot is almost 100%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWq8QWsPZBI

Hi Slicer, interesting.. had a Korean client in Jakarta too.. drive around that distance and style. Are we talking about the same person?

eiji wrote:

pushslice wrote:

But i have more putters than driver, even a lot more wedges, paid for tons of lessons and yet still suck at it

so How leh... What else do i need to buy?

A dishonest caddy

Eiji, you even more HIONG then me ah.. haha

Especially if it's a PRC caddie. Better still!

TLHENG wrote:

ALVARO QUIROS of spain is the longest hitter on the tour, but how many tournaments did he win?
Golf is about accuracy and not how long you can hit. Social golfers tends to spent big money on the latest driver to try and hit further, but will not pay for a good putter which helps to lower their score.
Strange but it's true

That's what I used to think too. That was until I started working on my driving accuracy and length and am now driving between 260-280 yards. This has helped my score in 2 ways -

1. finding more fairways means I can play my irons more effectively. JGE Earth course is currently prepped for the Race to Dubai tournament and the rough is around 3 inches. Forget about advancing the ball much you land in there. That makes the difference between GIR and non-GIR for a chance at par

2. adding that extra 20 yards to my drive from shaft that suits my swing better has also helped. It's the difference between playing a 7i (160 yards) instead of a 5i (180 yards), and on the shorter Par 4s, it means attacking the green with a wedge instead of an 8i.

High handicappers tend to stay that way for various reasons (in no order):

1. poor accuracy
2. poor distance
3. poor short game
4. poor bunker game

This applies to all clubs, from driver to putter. I have seen high handicappers who are long hitters who have better GIR percentages than me, but they are let down by their short game. I have also seen high handicappers who have problems driving long, hitting their long/mid-irons well, but have a decent short game. It's hard to stereotype, and the reason high HCPers are high HCPers is a combination of factors rather than just not having distance.

The touring pros on the Seniors Tour and LPGA are not long hitters, yet they play at that level because they have an all-round game, and are mentally in control.

Well said, Ghoonk.

sounds like me lei..

blee2007 wrote:

Well said, Ghoonk.

sounds like me lei..

You mean the all round players like those on LPGA, that don't hit super long but have an all round game...ya i think that sounds like you

eiji wrote:

blee2007 wrote:

Well said, Ghoonk.

sounds like me lei..

You mean the all round players like those on LPGA, that don't hit super long but have an all round game...ya i think that sounds like you

Haha.. I wish.. more like i cannot hit long.. inconsistent mid iron shots and lastly, duffing of chips shots.. (that is what is hapeening to me lately)...

I used to shun driving practice as well as practicing my FW and hybrids, and only almost exclusively focusing on my irons and wedges.

However, when I started to notice that I was shooting lower scores on days where I was hitting more fairways and driving longer, i started working on my driving

Then I started noticing that i was shooting lower when I was confident enough to pull out the 13.5* or 15* fairway woods for my 2nd shot on Par 5s, which left me with short irons or wedges to the green, and gave me a better chance of shooting a par. That's when i started working on my fairway woods

Same for hybrids - i recently started hitting more GIRs on long Par 3s with my hybrid, and have started practicing with them.

Because of these, my range sessions are now around 1.5 hours long, starting with wedges, moving to 9i, 7i, 5i, 3i, hybrid, fairway woods, then driver, then moving on to chipping and putting. Also cutting back on the number of balls hits and instead going for quality of ballstrking and alignment, and i stop when I am comfortable that I am hitting the ball well enough

@ Ghoonk.....wah lau...now then you tell me that to improve, I have to do range and if range, have to train other irons and not only SW.

blee2007 wrote:

eiji wrote:

blee2007 wrote:

Well said, Ghoonk.

sounds like me lei..

You mean the all round players like those on LPGA, that don't hit super long but have an all round game...ya i think that sounds like you

Haha.. I wish.. more like i cannot hit long.. inconsistent mid iron shots and lastly, duffing of chips shots.. (that is what is hapeening to me lately)...

1. duffing of chips - go and see shorthitter. get a 1 hour session with him. jurongtiger had a session with him and now he's spanking me blind around the greens.
2. hitting mid and long irons is same as hitting short irons. it's all in your mind. Just play them as any iron, and you'll be fine

Duval_S wrote:

@ Ghoonk.....wah lau...now then you tell me that to improve, I have to do range and if range, have to train other irons and not only SW.

That's the difference between SG/MY and Dubai. All courses here have a proper and well-maintained grass range, chipping and putting area where we warm up, and after the round, I usually work on my game post-round

ghoonk wrote:

blee2007 wrote:

eiji wrote:

blee2007 wrote:

Well said, Ghoonk.

sounds like me lei..

You mean the all round players like those on LPGA, that don't hit super long but have an all round game...ya i think that sounds like you

Haha.. I wish.. more like i cannot hit long.. inconsistent mid iron shots and lastly, duffing of chips shots.. (that is what is hapeening to me lately)...

1. duffing of chips - go and see shorthitter. get a 1 hour session with him. jurongtiger had a session with him and now he's spanking me blind around the greens.
2. hitting mid and long irons is same as hitting short irons. it's all in your mind. Just play them as any iron, and you'll be fine

Agreed with you on that.. just a mind issue with me.. you can ask zhenhua, some of the chips are so bad that I want to throw the club away. But then, seriously, I need to go back to the range again to work on the short game. I used to hit beter when I go to the range but lately, I have not been there and this is the end result...

A lesson costs less than a brand new wedge, but will consistently bring your scores down. Worth it?

ghoonk wrote:

A lesson costs less than a brand new wedge, but will consistently bring your scores down. Worth it?

Yup. noted. Having said that, I am also aware of the reason being the duff shots (it was a stances and address issue). So will work on it at the range to correct it. If not, Shorthitter, here I come.

a lesson costs less than the number of coconuts I'm gonna get off you

I totally hate playing with long hitters!

so says the long hitter

alvin7379 wrote:

blee2007 wrote:

TW, in one interview, said that sometimes, he intentionally play short so that he can be the first to hit his 2nd shot into the green so that it would be put pressure on his competitors (that said, when he was playing extremely well then).

I am the exact opposite... I hit long because I don't want to be the first to hit 2nd shot as I know I sure miss the green (which would give my opponent a big boost!)

even with your 'driver layup' you're still at least 30m ahead of us lor

eiji wrote:

Slicer51 wrote:

Here another friend of mine. A Korean single HCP player. He drove avg of 280 meter easily. Looking at his swing does not see much power in it. In fact, there were motion in his lower body in his back swing ( I was told by another friend).

I still remember my last Sunday game with him. I say " I cannot drive far, must be my shaft or driver". He asked to borrow my driver in one of the hole and still drive as far as it can... I was so embarrassing that hoping that is a pin hole big enough for my head to go in....

However, I need to mention this, is that his up and down shot is almost 100%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWq8QWsPZBI

what ginseng he eat?

I guess is Korea ginseng

i guess the advantage of hitting long is that instead of having to use driver for say 230m, i can use 5W, which would allow more consistency, less effort and for a player better than me, shot shaping capabilities... please correct me if i'm wrong...

blee2007 wrote:

Hi Slicer, interesting.. had a Korean client in Jakarta too.. drive around that distance and style. Are we talking about the same person?

I do not know bro. My friend stay in Surabaya and his name is Choi (sound familiar).. Anyway, most Korean usually were good golf player ... Wonder why ?

Slicer51 wrote:

blee2007 wrote:

Hi Slicer, interesting.. had a Korean client in Jakarta too.. drive around that distance and style. Are we talking about the same person?

I do not know bro. My friend stay in Surabaya and his name is Choi (sound familiar).. Anyway, most Korean usually were good golf player ... Wonder why ?

their dedication...i have met so many skilled online gamers from korea, they have a lot of devotion and dedication to what they do

ghoonk wrote:

TLHENG wrote:

ALVARO QUIROS of spain is the longest hitter on the tour, but how many tournaments did he win?
Golf is about accuracy and not how long you can hit. Social golfers tends to spent big money on the latest driver to try and hit further, but will not pay for a good putter which helps to lower their score.
Strange but it's true

That's what I used to think too. That was until I started working on my driving accuracy and length and am now driving between 260-280 yards. This has helped my score in 2 ways -

1. finding more fairways means I can play my irons more effectively. JGE Earth course is currently prepped for the Race to Dubai tournament and the rough is around 3 inches. Forget about advancing the ball much you land in there. That makes the difference between GIR and non-GIR for a chance at par

2. adding that extra 20 yards to my drive from shaft that suits my swing better has also helped. It's the difference between playing a 7i (160 yards) instead of a 5i (180 yards), and on the shorter Par 4s, it means attacking the green with a wedge instead of an 8i.

High handicappers tend to stay that way for various reasons (in no order):

1. poor accuracy
2. poor distance
3. poor short game
4. poor bunker game

This applies to all clubs, from driver to putter. I have seen high handicappers who are long hitters who have better GIR percentages than me, but they are let down by their short game. I have also seen high handicappers who have problems driving long, hitting their long/mid-irons well, but have a decent short game. It's hard to stereotype, and the reason high HCPers are high HCPers is a combination of factors rather than just not having distance.

The touring pros on the Seniors Tour and LPGA are not long hitters, yet they play at that level because they have an all-round game, and are mentally in control.

Well say indeed. I remember a person ever told me ( I think Slinger who know I am talking about ). Your golf game is just your 10 fingers. We can still live without one or two fingers except it is just inconvenience.

In golf, we need to drive out from the tee, fairway shots, fairway or green bunker, pitching or chipping and putting. We need all these "fingers" well covered in our game to able to score well. I am sure we can figure out what % for Driver, Iron or fairway wood, short irons and putter ...

We usually use 18 times with our driver compared to rest to the clubs .. However, this 18 times might kill your score, if you hook or slice OB or landed in a high rough... So, I think it is more important to drive straight compare to drive far. Those whom can drive straight and far are really talented but I do saw many that can drive very far but land in difficult lie for their 2nd shot ( it is worth it ? maybe yes, maybe no.

Just my 2 cts

blee2007 wrote:

ghoonk wrote:

A lesson costs less than a brand new wedge, but will consistently bring your scores down. Worth it?

Yup. noted. Having said that, I am also aware of the reason being the duff shots (it was a stances and address issue). So will work on it at the range to correct it. If not, Shorthitter, here I come.

Barnard,

enough ! You really expect us to believe that you are playing so bad You sound like buaya to me, my friend ... Heeeee