What is Club Fitting?

Great to hear of your experience at the den! That is a wonderful 'trap' for golfers.

Wah, u post at 530am in the morning......

Must have just reach home from work......

Wow... good write up by Denmeister.

Can share how it has improved your scores on your greens with these improvements?

I always feel better with new clubs but result hardly show except for my putting which has been brought down to 2 or 1 putts after landing on the greens.

Trying to find a good reason to go down for an analysis.

Denis it was fun having you guys at the Den last week. it was a blast fitting you and your friends too.

i love money but until your weakest part of the game is strengthen, its no point fitting the driver. but when we do fit the driver, i hope to see you take more money from the guys who treat you like an ATM...haha

Finally Denis...as you can see this forum is pretty useful to find golf kakis and for singapore golfers playing in JB, its great to know the local snake head too. Hopefully we can play some rounds together soon but for sure you can take part in the GR medals.

Hope to see you soon and thank you for taking the time to write about your experience.

DGman

PS Ren is a very accomplished golfer and comes to the Den once in a few months so you are fortunate to meet him. he has been SICC champion on many occasions.

Dennis,

Welcome to the world of custom fitting.

Now that your driver swing is also much improved, go back and get a shaft before the price goes up further. It is pricey, but money well-spent considering how often u play and the stakes you play at.

Now, if you had done this earlier, imagine the bets you would have won/avoided losing.

The investment pays for itself very quickly, doesn't it?

Next time we play, I look forward to measuring your driving distance.

Denmeister wrote:

Hai... Want to spend money also cannot... What kind of a person turns away a ready customer like that? 

Bro Slicer,
I know exactly how you feel now when DGman don't want your business!!!

DGman...R.E.S.P.E.C.T!!!

My dear friend Dennis,

It is really great to hear that you have benefit so much for just one visit to the den (BF). I am sure it is worth the time & money all the way from JB, bro. I am guess you wish that you had did it earlier when I mention Eric to you sometime back.

When DGman agreed to change my driver shaft last month in the den. I am not sure whether he means that my swing is more mutual now or he hate to see me cry since he already rejected me one year ago .. He know what he is doing as my distance did improve after the changed.

With your talent ? in no time, all your golf budies will be asking for strokes and about time to get back those investment + interest from them. Best to your golf games. Bro.

Lee36328 wrote:

Dennis,

Welcome to the world of custom fitting.

Now that your driver swing is also much improved, go back and get a shaft before the price goes up further. It is pricey, but money well-spent considering how often u play and the stakes you play at.

Now, if you had done this earlier, imagine the bets you would have won/avoided losing.

The investment pays for itself very quickly, doesn't it?

Next time we play, I look forward to measuring your driving distance.

Hi Lee,

1st post ? nice to see you here bro. I hope you do post more over here. With all those contribution that you have given in forum (you know where). It will be great to see your posts here too.

I hear you are driving far too ? We would like see after Dennis fit his shaft .. Don't worry, if we do play next time.. I will carry my GPS and rangefinder to measure both of your driving distance

seems like Dennis 's kaki...all macam Div A players

Duval_S wrote:

seems like Dennis 's kaki...all macam Div A players

macam only... Cannot play never mind, must have the style.

slinger wrote:

Wah, u post at 530am in the morning......

Must have just reach home from work......

No la, woke up to pee....

I also have a morning tee off at 7am. Johorians play more than work.... envious leh.....

piero wrote:

Wow... good write up by Denmeister.

Can share how it has improved your scores on your greens with these improvements?

I always feel better with new clubs but result hardly show except for my putting which has been brought down to 2 or 1 putts after landing on the greens.

Trying to find a good reason to go down for an analysis.

Hi piero,
As previously mentioned by DGman, there are two groups of people who will benefit from custom fitting.
Group 1: Golfers with consistent swings.
Group 2: Above and below average build golfers. I fit into this category.

In my earlier post, I mentioned that DGman did not want to fit my driver as my swing needs improving. But because of my build, my irons must be custom fitted so that I can swing without any impediments.

The visit to the Den yielded a lot of benefits, which will result in lower scores VERY VERY SOON. I am very confident that it will happen because of the positive changes to my swing from DGman's swing tips. I am driving the ball at least 20 yards further since my Den visit. I played 18 holes yesterday and today and reached the green in two on a 504yard par 5 on both days! Happy to say... both resulted in birdies.... These birdies were not the result of custom fitted irons, but a result of a change in my swing which is directly attributed to DGman's tips.

So Piero, it is actually not all about just fitting clubs to your game. If you have a sound and consistent swing, fitted clubs will lower your scores faster. But if your swing has issues, it is best that you go to the Den to have it analyzed by DGman first. He may then recommend swing tips and/or custom fitting. Go there with an open mind. You may be able to lower your scores without any custom fitting.

Hope that provided you with the answer that you are looking for.

DGman,

I feel that I am swinging my driver with a lot more confidence now which is also making it faster. Just wanna seek your opinion: I remembered you saying that driver and iron swing speeds should not be the same. Should the tempo for iron shots be toned down as compared to the driver?

If so, I may be swinging too fast for my irons which explains why I am not swinging them as well as I want to.

Thanks bro for the very detailed reply.

Actually my irons, hybrids, wedges and putting all quite ok.

Problem is my drivers these days. Used to be the least problematic when I started golf. Now became my biggest problem.

Dun worry... 2 years plus ago, I was told the same thing too but I got my links to get fitted for a set of irons. Since then, my golf have been improving and the best thing is you will also get tips every now and then.

Slicer51 wrote:

Denmeister wrote:

Hai... Want to spend money also cannot... What kind of a person turns away a ready customer like that? 

Bro Slicer,
I know exactly how you feel now when DGman don't want your business!!!

DGman...R.E.S.P.E.C.T!!!

My dear friend Dennis,

It is really great to hear that you have benefit so much for just one visit to the den (BF). I am sure it is worth the time & money all the way from JB, bro. I am guess you wish that you had did it earlier when I mention Eric to you sometime back.

When DGman agreed to change my driver shaft last month in the den. I am not sure whether he means that my swing is more mutual now or he hate to see me cry since he already rejected me one year ago .. He know what he is doing as my distance did improve after the changed.

With your talent ? in no time, all your golf budies will be asking for strokes and about time to get back those investment + interest from them. Best to your golf games. Bro.

Thanks Steve,
I am in no hurry to re-shaft my driver. Let me ingrain my new swing first and also work on getting used to the new irons before I tweak my driver. Who knows, DGman may still see some issues in my swing and give me tips to add another 30 yards!!! If that were to happen, who needs aftermarket shafts???? Oops...DGman, pretend I did not say that.

It is also great to hear that your refitted driver has added distance to your drives. Looking forward to playing with you again. Come to think about it, a Surabaya golfing adventure sounds rather tempting.

Bro Lee, are you ready?

Anyone else want to join?

Slicer51 wrote:

Lee36328 wrote:

Dennis,

Welcome to the world of custom fitting.

Now that your driver swing is also much improved, go back and get a shaft before the price goes up further. It is pricey, but money well-spent considering how often u play and the stakes you play at.

Now, if you had done this earlier, imagine the bets you would have won/avoided losing.

The investment pays for itself very quickly, doesn't it?

Next time we play, I look forward to measuring your driving distance.

Hi Lee,

1st post ? nice to see you here bro. I hope you do post more over here. With all those contribution that you have given in forum (you know where). It will be great to see your posts here too.

I hear you are driving far too ? We would like see after Dennis fit his shaft .. Don't worry, if we do play next time.. I will carry my GPS and rangefinder to measure both of your driving distance

Hi Bro Lee,
The hole is not won just by driving far high, you know? I have just proven it today. Still lost RM30.00 even though I outdrove 3 of my golf kakis this morning. As mentioned in my previous post, Let me sharpen my irons so that I can take advantage of them in lowering my scores further before I see DGman again for my driver.

Denmeister wrote:

Hi Bro Lee,
The hole is not won just by driving far high, you know? I have just proven it today. Still lost RM30.00 even though I outdrove 3 of my golf kakis this morning. As mentioned in my previous post, Let me sharpen my irons so that I can take advantage of them in lowering my scores further before I see DGman again for my driver.

1. You are driving better than ever.
2. You have just been fitted with a new set of irons that fit your height and swing

Ergo, you should be hitting more GIRs than ever. If most par 4 approaches are now 8i - PW, it should be a no-brainer. The rest is down to putting, which you're pretty good at.

If not, adjust either the swing weight of the irons or the driver. Your club fitter should know what to do.

Finally, either the hands control the pivot, or the pivot controls the hands. With pivot-controlled hands, swing weight is crucial. With a hand-controlled pivot, swing weight will matter less.

Sounds like you have pivot-controlled hands. And you probably could use more lag in your irons.

Looking forward to our next round bro.

Lee36328 wrote:

Finally, either the hands control the pivot, or the pivot controls the hands. With pivot-controlled hands, swing weight is crucial. With a hand-controlled pivot, swing weight will matter less.

Sounds like you have pivot-controlled hands. And you probably could use more lag in your irons.

Looking forward to our next round bro.

Wah..sounds like you are a TGM/Manzella kind of guy?

Dennis,

After reading about your post on 'no think golf' routine this morning, I implemented in my game today and found a new level of consistency in ball striking. It is my best round in the last 2 years.

Now, I need to try to see if it also work for my putting routine.

Ssquirrel wrote:

Lee36328 wrote:

Finally, either the hands control the pivot, or the pivot controls the hands. With pivot-controlled hands, swing weight is crucial. With a hand-controlled pivot, swing weight will matter less.

Sounds like you have pivot-controlled hands. And you probably could use more lag in your irons.

Looking forward to our next round bro.

Wah..sounds like you are a TGM/Manzella kind of guy?

Very technical..... Err... can help to translate in English?

Ssquirrel wrote:

Lee36328 wrote:

Finally, either the hands control the pivot, or the pivot controls the hands. With pivot-controlled hands, swing weight is crucial. With a hand-controlled pivot, swing weight will matter less.

Sounds like you have pivot-controlled hands. And you probably could use more lag in your irons.

Looking forward to our next round bro.

Wah..sounds like you are a TGM/Manzella kind of guy?

I'm from the school of whatever-it-takes-to-get-the-damn-ball-airborne. Lack of athletic talent on my part necessitates compensation via physics, mechanics and geometry.

Actually, I just study what Sean Foley says, and repeat them.

Wait till we go on to the topic of myelin and mirror neurons, or how our brain does Fourier transform.

Khorkar wrote:

Ssquirrel wrote:

Lee36328 wrote:

Finally, either the hands control the pivot, or the pivot controls the hands. With pivot-controlled hands, swing weight is crucial. With a hand-controlled pivot, swing weight will matter less.

Sounds like you have pivot-controlled hands. And you probably could use more lag in your irons.

Looking forward to our next round bro.

Wah..sounds like you are a TGM/Manzella kind of guy?

Very technical..... Err... can help to translate in English?

It's quite straightforward.

When different clubs feel differently (because of different swing weights), your body is directing the hands in the swing - pivot-controlled hands.

When you can swing and hit with any club, regardless of swing weight, your hands are directing your body in the swing - hand-controlled pivot.

DenMeister is hitting the driver better than irons, and is asking whether he should swing slower with his irons - a clear sign of pivot-controlled hands.

For players with pivot-controlled hands, swing weight-matching the entire set is important. To be more precise, MOI-matching should be done, but it is a tedious process. Swing weight-matching is a lot simpler if less precise.

Hope that helps.

Cheers.

bkll wrote:

Dennis,

After reading about your post on 'no think golf' routine this morning, I implemented in my game today and found a new level of consistency in ball striking. It is my best round in the last 2 years.

Now, I need to try to see if it also work for my putting routine.

Hi bkll,
Glad to hear that you played your best ever today. I believe more will come once you get even more comfortable with "no think"

We have to thank DGman for this tip.

Since both of us are using this, I just want to share my latest observation about "no think." I don't know if this has crept in during your game yet. There were occasions during my game where after my right feet has been planted, it took me one to two seconds before I started my backswing. As mentioned before, I am supposed to start my backswing immediately after the right leg is set. That pause that I sometimes experience may later become longer and longer. This may allow thoughts to creep back in again. I definitely will make sure that I correct this the next time I play.

Just wanted to share this with my fellow "no think" golfer.

BTW, it also works with the putting routine. Do your normal green reading and make your decisions on path and speed. Just make sure that all this thinking is done before you walk up to the ball. Again, once the right feet is planted, GO!

wah a lot of posting has been uploaded since i last checked this thread.

Just to clarify what Dennis underwent.

his pre-shot routine for irons was not existent. like most golfers he stands over the ball and think of all kinds of swing technique which added pressure to the takeaway but does nothing for his release.

What i did was introduce very simple swing thoughts which helped him focus on himself and his setup. Instinctive Golf or in this case "No Think" freed him to focus on sending the ball to the target. There is basically no change in his swing except a quieter lower core and he is now more focussed on the release and less about technique.

the right length, weight and flex on his new irons does help you set up more natural to his height and swing path. More importantly he takes the bobbing which is the result of a shorter iron out of the equation.

I believe Denis dedication to the game is immense and in 1 to 2 years, he could be playing some serious golf if he finds the right direction to work his game to.

His spontaneous character is evident in his post and he will find great results when he plays with the best and starts to beat them. confidence is the key in this game.

for putting, the thoughts are different and as they say, once you start you cannot stop. i envisage that we will see more of you at the Den....haha

i spoke to Duffader's brother who had a 6 or 7 year headstart in golf. used to give DF 7-7. now they play level and he is losing more than he wins now. that was not too long ago. so it shows that if one is dedicated and see to improve because he takes the time to learn, practise and compete regularly, he don't have to keep buying equipment to get ahead.

Different people response to different keys to learning. but in my opinion the guys who came up with this method needs special mention. i learn this from a gentleman name Paul Eales who is a European Tour Winner. However it is a method to help you free yourself irrespective of whatever golf swing you have. the fundamentals of having a good swing still holds the key in your ball striking. Instinctive golf in my opinion helps you find it more often and with more consistency.

have a good golfing week ahead.

DGman

DGman...I oso must put credit to you. I have put in a pre-shot routine since our game at laguna. I was doing it on the range, the guy behind me asked what i was doing. I explained and he followed kekeke...It helps a lot with my aiming. Now i know if a missed shot were due to aiming or swing gone awry. Thank you!

PS: still....is 5-5 a fair stroking between Duffy and moi?