How many strokes should a 11-HCP give a 20-HCP (fair) ?

As topic puts it, how many strokes should a 11-HCP give a 20-HCP?

Also, should the 11 handicapper tee off from blue whilst the 20 handciapper gets to tee off from white?

Let's just say I am having a "friendly" competition with my brother and his friend tomorrow morning. I pulled in a fellow 20-hcp (same as me) whilst that **** pulled in his 11-hcp friend.

We have been arguing on strokes for a day.

maybe this helps

http://www.popeofslope.com/guidelines/handicap103.html

brother to brother why ask for strokes? friendly ma.. just play level lo

I think the 20hcp shld be a man and play level.

However, a 15 hcper shld get 3-3 fm the 11hcper

Just my view

Did my brother pay you Duval?

If betting lower hcp must give stroke lah but friendly play level if no bet:)

You need to consult Mloy for the finer points. I think people here not as 'established' as her when it comes to this subject

As a 24 hcp playing with a 15 hcp.

Excerpt from the stroke negotiation.

"Hello, my name is Mloy, give me 9-9."

<end of negotiation, any further details are redundant>

Then you must say 9-9 cannot.. how about 6-9 instead? negotiate back mah!

MLOY the smartest:)'

I am sorry, I made a mistake. It should be like in red

An American friend of mine is sitting right in front of me now. He told me this after I saw your question.

He says it is not an offical system but many used this system in the States. It is called system 39 (not system 36) and it is rather fair system to use.

Used number 39 and sustract individual HCP = points

example :

Your HCP 20 - 39 = 19 points
Your friend HCP 11 - 39 = 28 points

Subtract or add as per each hole you played

Eagle - 3
Birdies - 2
Par - 1
Bogey - 0
D bogey or more +1

You start using the point and start subtract or add to the point as you play every holes. The lower point after 18 holes will be the winner

Example :

Hole1 :

You started with 19 points. You bogey the 1 hole. You remind as 19. 19 points going into hole 2.

Your friend with 28 points. He par the 1 hole. 28 - 1 = 27 point into hole 2

Hole2 : you par, 19 -1 = 18 point going into hole 3

Your friend, birdes. 27 - 2 = 25 points going into hole 3

Bruuder, my rationale is if the 20 hcp is a genuine one , then more likely your bro will not max out and use all his good shots la...

But against 15 hcp , I don't think he will hold back and such, the 3-3

Make sense boh?

Of course, the other normal method will be.

The HCP 11 will give HCP 20 a total all 9 strokes

One stroke given on Hole index from 1 to 9

Results of Buweeza versus Bro challenge:

RCC , Lake @ 24 Mar 12
Buw - 94
Friend -89
Buw's Bro - 95
Young Punk - 82

Young punk gave 3 strokes on 1st 9 and 7 strokes on 2nd.

Buweeza has now been thrashed by Aunties and Youngsters. Have yet to be thrashed by Grandpa/ma(s) yet though but I'm sure that's coming soon..