Handicap Index calculation

Hi, I think my handicap index is wrongly calculated and would like to seek opinions of the bros here.

I usually play score of 110-115 at an 70.4 rating /131 slope course.

At a 69 rating course, my score is usually approx. 105.

Is a handicap index of 23.1 possible. seems abit too good no? Shld be higher correct? Is there a process to downgrade ur handicap?

Bro ....I too have the same feeling. I asked the association who maintain my HC, and they double check and confirm its such. Siao liao......!!!!

Initialy I suspected that they might based on how pro my equipment is, but then,,,,confirm later not the case coz mine is super forgiving type.

Guess, the best way is to really play bad and badder ....hhaahahah

Hi, Gray

Yes. It should be higher.

Some club (in Malaysia or Indo) will give a maximum handicap 24 because they know it is kind of minimum standard in Singapore..

May I know whether yours is USGA handicap index? Usually, they will display in the card which score they use to calculate your handicap. For first time hand-in, they will use the best out of 5 scores... I think subsequently, they will use average. I can be wrong in this, just my thought.

I think the scoring is correct. Reason being if you are high handicapper, certain holes you will get strokes automatically or in other words, cap at max of double bogey per hole. So thats why the score does not tally with what you have calculated.

They do not count anything higher than a double bogey.
You might have to recalculate again.

i think rule of thumb or dummy's guide is that what ever u calculate as your differential or according to course handicap against your gross score... and then minus three... that should be your handicap index....



er... understand?

Hi bro, it should be correct cos its calculated by computer and not human
If ur hcp is 23.1, your MAX score allowed on any hole is 8 assuming u are on USGA handicap system. This is because USGA build in something called ESC (Equitable Score Control)

Suppose u play 110 on a 70.4 rating and 131 slope course, your hcp differential (HD) should be (110 - 70.4) x 113/131 = 34.2

But your 110 could include blow holes of score 9, 10, 11 and so on. Hence if you apply the max of 8 to all holes, your AGS (Adjusted Gross Score) will be much lower....possibly even 100....and that will give you a HD of 100

At the end, they will take your average of 10 best scores and multiply by 0.96 to derive your handicap index. So the lesser score card u submit, the more unreliable your handicap and vice versa.

Hi guys, thanks for the response. my HI is the USGA one.

I think my high score is cos of my blow holes which I also include in my score. If the computer doesnt accept the blow holes and cap at double bogey or max 8 strokes, then naturally my score will be very and low.

The issue I have is that when you play stroke play with frens, then handicap index is used mah. Like that, I will be disadvantaged.

I think the way to circumvent this is to submit total strokes instead of hole by hole into the system. after awhile, I think my handicap will natural go up.

Anyone tried before? or is there anyone whose handicap gone worse before? care to share?

I am also confused about handicapping system used here in Singapore

Example:

- I have a student who has +1 handicap but he has never actually shot under par.

- Also to pass handicap test, score needs to be 55 or better for 9 holes yet maximum handicap allowed is 24

- Don't submit a scorecard and your handicap comes down ( I think 1 stroke)

- I find most handicaps here are not reflective of the golfers abilities

- I always thought a handicap indicated your average score over par, not your best score?

Obviously the USGA system different to the system used in Australia. If I hear a golfer here is a 10 handicap, I am assuming he shoots 85-90, not 82 as his average score

Gray, everyone uses the same system. so i think everyone is on the same playing field. I assume you are talking about the keppel handicap index?

i OT abit first... u are now sounding like a buaya who is trying to beat the system!


ok. back to main topic. if u are maintaining your handicap index at keppel just as i do now, well... it is a system, what can we do? all the clubs in singapore are using the same system as i understand from my good buddies at MGK from last time. but for us, keppel members, 1 disadvantage that we have is that keppel is mentally a tough course to play in. tight course, alot of bushes, da, da, da... but the slope ratings and course ratings in my opinion is not very fair for calculating indexes... so if we play often at keppel and shoot what we shoot... even thou it is a crappy score, but our index will just come out low. period.

take me for example, i just checked and my handicap is 13.4 this month. but I have been shooting nothing but high 90s in keppel, ponderosa or tanah merah in the last few months... i did hit 101 in the last month in keppel as well...


so.... go figure...

From my understanding ESC varies depending on your handicap.
For Daren standard, it should limit up to double-bogey. But for us....

This should be the breakdown for ESC.
Course Handicap Maximum Score
0-9 Double Bogey
10-19 7
20-29 8
30-39 9
40 or more 10

I maintain my HCP at Palm Villa and so far quite representative. My best scores there are 88 but usually ranging from 88-95 and my HCP index is 19.1.

I think it still depends on the stroke index of the hole. Anyway, i dun see the point of this thread. Playing golf to buaya or playing golf to improve in the game?

I agree with RSS. If my handicap is +10, then at a 72 rating/113 slope, I shld be shooting an average of 82.

so if I shoot abt 115 at a course rating of 70.4 and slope 131, my handicap shld be 38.5.

worst to worst, lets say they say that I shld be adjusted to my best score ever which is 105, then its shld be 29.8.

That to me is a fair calculation lah.

Then dun take a hcp or maintain 1. If you read RSS's hcp test, maximum score per 9 is 55. So if you should 115, then you fail your hcp test in the first place. Just go get a PC and play.

duffader wrote:

I think it still depends on the stroke index of the hole. Anyway, i dun see the point of this thread. Playing golf to buaya or playing golf to improve in the game?

its about playing a competitive game. Having an accurate handicap will provide equity among players.

It also allows u to measure yourself when playing at different courses with different course rating and slope rating.

That is the whole point of having a standardised handicap index in the first place mah

If no handicap then cannot play in the weekend and troublesome to play at other clubs

In the ideal world, yes. but the whole handicapp system is quite debatable as we have various requirements of score submission....some on quarterly basis, some once a year, some..donno........so realistically we just have to be pragmatic lor ie there is not equity......

guess the ROT is when we play with someone, we more or less can tell the std or the credibility of his/her HC.

Gray wrote:

I agree with RSS. If my handicap is +10, then at a 72 rating/113 slope, I shld be shooting an average of 82.

so if I shoot abt 115 at a course rating of 70.4 and slope 131, my handicap shld be 38.5.

worst to worst, lets say they say that I shld be adjusted to my best score ever which is 105, then its shld be 29.8.

That to me is a fair calculation lah.

How many score cards have u submitted for hcp purposes to date?
Is there some cards where u score quite good and that's why hcp is around 23?

duffader wrote:

Then dun take a hcp or maintain 1. If you read RSS's hcp test, maximum score per 9 is 55. So if you should 115, then you fail your hcp test in the first place. Just go get a PC and play.

If I'm not wrong, there is no more handicap test.
Its called CR aka courtesy round....

Diff clubs adopt diff practices
Some like NSRCC requires you to play 3 to 4 holes. If u can launch and know a bit of rules and safety....u pass. Ur hcp is then based on the 5 cards you submitted for CR

Some other clubs/socieites conduct CR as if its a test....and prob maintain the 55 for 9 holes kind of rule

At the end of the day, how true is your hcp depends on ur integrity
There are so many ways to beat around the system......

Even is system 36 stableford kind of format, its possible to buaya to a certain extent

Gray wrote:

duffader wrote:

I think it still depends on the stroke index of the hole. Anyway, i dun see the point of this thread. Playing golf to buaya or playing golf to improve in the game?

That is the whole point of having a standardised handicap index in the first place mah

I think you just answered your own question. its to prevent people from declaring their fake score so that they can buaya others in a long run, thats why the limitation. And i also know your hcp index is reflecting your potential not your actual.

I have a question on handicap numbering....

+2 and -2 handicap, which one is worse? I am always confused about the sign.

taskie wrote:

I have a question on handicap numbering....

+2 and -2 handicap, which one is worse? I am always confused about the sign.

+ 2 is a better player

duffader wrote:

Gray wrote:

duffader wrote:

I think it still depends on the stroke index of the hole. Anyway, i dun see the point of this thread. Playing golf to buaya or playing golf to improve in the game?

That is the whole point of having a standardised handicap index in the first place mah

I think you just answered your own question. its to prevent people from declaring their fake score so that they can buaya others in a long run, thats why the limitation. And i also know your hcp index is reflecting your potential not your actual.

correct. which is why I am saying that my handicap index is neither my potential or reflective of my ability. changing handicap to buaya which was never my intention. I just want a handicap that is reflective of my abilities so that when i play at other courses i will know if I played well or played badly mah .