Shaft Puring - Flo Alignment - Lie Angle - Kick point - Torque

pushslice wrote:

Thot this is the right topic for my questions...

I read that the definition of torque is shaft's resistance to twisting. Not clear whether is it twisting at impact or during downswing?

Prior to few months back, i only use shaft with 3.X torque after an advice from a pro to help hit the sweet spot more often (???)....however I have since tested/been fitted with two shafts that have turned out having torques closer to 5.0, and the results have been good. My tempo is moderate/slow. I just cannot feel the difference of a 3.3 torque shaft and a 4.9 torque shaft. I can only see the results.

So is lower torque shaft a better shaft in general or "it depends on golfer's tempo and transition from back to downswing?

thanks for the comments.

PS: i'm also glad because the higher torque shafts are cheaper!

A lower torque are generally more diff to make so more expensive. It is depends on not only on tempo, but also yr grip, yr power, and yr body tension thru impact.
Slower speed means higher torque in general. But also higher ball dispersion. U can only compare same model, same weight, same kick, same flex, same brand then u can feel the diff.
Eg, take yr current shaft, tip the front 1 inch and play again. If u can't tell the diff, then it's yr luck ( no offence, as u likely have less anxiety thru yr swing. Means u hv a good sound swing )

siaokao wrote:

I'm quite a newbie.. But I believe spinning works before ball impact. As one loads ur club, shaft will bend, and in an unspinned club, club face may ended up open or close during downswing. Golfer can compensate, but with every clubs behaving differently.. It's kind of difficult to do ya?

What is spinning? Are you talking about the torque of the shaft?

duffader wrote:

I think sound Swing is something repeatable. Like single hcps, scratch golfers and pros where they are consistent in their games. Changing swing is to further impove it I think.

But if you telling me that with the FLO thingy can help with people who sometimes outside in and sometimes inside out and still return the shaft and club face to a square position, then that will be interesting.

Flightscope launch monitor can show u the club face open or close, plus yr swing path, impact point. And many other data.

Swing coach teaches based on yr current equipment. So sometimes it is not yr problem, not the coach problem. It is just yr equipment, else it's just another bad day. Don't be discourage. Golf is suppose to be fun.

I can do a mini clinic on these topics this coming Sunday. Interested just pm me with name n contact and u will b updated if confirmed.

Sidetrack: I am not looking for agreements, just sharing what I know. Hopefully helps some golfer. Please do not feel offended if I am too direct. If u still do, do let me know. I can apologize

SigmaOne wrote:

duffader wrote:

I think sound Swing is something repeatable. Like single hcps, scratch golfers and pros where they are consistent in their games. Changing swing is to further impove it I think.

But if you telling me that with the FLO thingy can help with people who sometimes outside in and sometimes inside out and still return the shaft and club face to a square position, then that will be interesting.

Flightscope launch monitor can show u the club face open or close, plus yr swing path, impact point. And many other data.

Swing coach teaches based on yr current equipment. So sometimes it is not yr problem, not the coach problem. It is just yr equipment, else it's just another bad day. Don't be discourage. Golf is suppose to be fun.

Thanks SO, My coach uses Flight scope too during my sessions and i enjoy having those data available. Yeap, Golf is supposed to be fun. So I gave up toying with equipment (although I not a hardcore one, just a el cheapo one.) and go back to the fundamentals. Still find it achievable on all kinds of equipment with a better swing, so now its just a matter of preference.

SigmaOne wrote:

The video is abt shaft spine. Torque is the twisting ard the tip when head is fitted.
If u don't care it is fine, then any shaft any flex can do.

Can't argue with such a marvelously succinct and on point statement.

Thanks for sharing, SigmaOne.

SigmaOne wrote:

jimmychoo wrote:

When I am hitting a ball, I only care about the initial return. I don't really care how the shaft will react after the initial swing. Well, maybe I will feel it wobbling on my back

The video is abt shaft spine. Torque is the twisting ard the tip when head is fitted.
If u don't care it is fine, then any shaft any flex can do.

I do care about the initial return as I have mentioned in my post.
No offense, from your post that I have read, you sound like a good listener but you don't seem to be a good reader in this case
Now that I have repeated my statement, do you still think any shaft any flex can do for me?

Quoting Tom Wishon

"Bottom line is really this – if the golfer has the ability to note when they make a really good swing and sees some oddities in ball flight for such “perfect swing moves”, then it is definitely possible the shaft has enough asymmetry that in its present installation position, it could be the cause of the odd ball flight/shot. Or, if the golfer wants to eliminate all possibilities of a shaft causing a miss hit so they have a greater level of confidence in their clubs, then this process can be very helpful."

So I think if you can't swing consistently the same way, shaft puring or flo won't benefit you. Or if you are really using a lower quality shaft which display such assymetrical properties that could cause the shaft to unload so differently in the different planes, you might just be better off changing to a higher quality shaft.

Ssquirrel wrote:

Quoting Tom Wishon

"Bottom line is really this – if the golfer has the ability to note when they make a really good swing and sees some oddities in ball flight for such “perfect swing moves”, then it is definitely possible the shaft has enough asymmetry that in its present installation position, it could be the cause of the odd ball flight/shot. Or, if the golfer wants to eliminate all possibilities of a shaft causing a miss hit so they have a greater level of confidence in their clubs, then this process can be very helpful."

So I think if you can't swing consistently the same way, shaft puring or flo won't benefit you. Or if you are really using a lower quality shaft which display such assymetrical properties that could cause the shaft to unload so differently in the different planes, you might just be better off changing to a higher quality shaft.

Hahaha..... look like I fall into the "can't swing consistently the same way" catergory social golfer group. So any shaft any flex can do for me

jimmychoo wrote:

Hahaha..... look like I fall into the "can't swing consistently the same way" catergory social golfer group. So any shaft any flex can do for me

let me be blunt about this.....

hor kian peng can play with any flex n any shaft.....

so are u a truly hor kian peng??!!!

my maid broke afew mops n brooms while cleaning the house..
i can offer u cheap shafts Mr. Choo

slinger wrote:

jimmychoo wrote:

Hahaha..... look like I fall into the "can't swing consistently the same way" catergory social golfer group. So any shaft any flex can do for me

let me be blunt about this.....

hor kian peng can play with any flex n any shaft.....

so are u a truly hor kian peng??!!!

I don't think I can lor but SO just suggested to me so I am very confused now. Look like Agumon offer is a good deal to consider

jimmychoo wrote:

SigmaOne wrote:

jimmychoo wrote:

When I am hitting a ball, I only care about the initial return. I don't really care how the shaft will react after the initial swing. Well, maybe I will feel it wobbling on my back

The video is abt shaft spine. Torque is the twisting ard the tip when head is fitted.
If u don't care it is fine, then any shaft any flex can do.

I do care about the initial return as I have mentioned in my post.
No offense, from your post that I have read, you sound like a good listener but you don't seem to be a good reader in this case
Now that I have repeated my statement, do you still think any shaft any flex can do for me?

I still think so, really no offence, cos a golf swing is not abt initial return only. Please note i have also replied to others the gripping, take off, etc, etc that matters.

I can play a lady flex, #7 dead straight, 195m, with 100% full concentration, 100% stress control management and anxiety, but it is no fun at all. It drains my energy away and i cant complete my 18 holes. Eg, last oct after my hole in one, i lost focus and immediately tee to OB.

If the clubs are purchased at the same price same model, everything same, why not get them all fitted? To take out the ??? from the equation, whats left is just me and me alone ( If i stop complaining abt the grass cutters and the wind, LOL )

Bro i am sorry if i did not read yr post correctly, really sorry. Hope u have a nice golfing days. Cheers

Ssquirrel wrote:

Quoting Tom Wishon

"Bottom line is really this – if the golfer has the ability to note when they make a really good swing and sees some oddities in ball flight for such “perfect swing moves”, then it is definitely possible the shaft has enough asymmetry that in its present installation position, it could be the cause of the odd ball flight/shot. Or, if the golfer wants to eliminate all possibilities of a shaft causing a miss hit so they have a greater level of confidence in their clubs, then this process can be very helpful."

So I think if you can't swing consistently the same way, shaft puring or flo won't benefit you. Or if you are really using a lower quality shaft which display such assymetrical properties that could cause the shaft to unload so differently in the different planes, you might just be better off changing to a higher quality shaft.

I do agreed with Tom. I carried his products too. My point here is equipment, lets assume the golf swing is ok, just discuss the relevant stuff so that we wont be off topic.

By the ways, Golf shoes make a difference too

jimmychoo wrote:

slinger wrote:

jimmychoo wrote:

Hahaha..... look like I fall into the "can't swing consistently the same way" catergory social golfer group. So any shaft any flex can do for me

let me be blunt about this.....

hor kian peng can play with any flex n any shaft.....

so are u a truly hor kian peng??!!!

I don't think I can lor but SO just suggested to me so I am very confused now. Look like Agumon offer is a good deal to consider

No need the broom. I have some used golf shafts if u are keen.

SigmaOne wrote:

I can play a lady flex, #7 dead straight, 195m, with 100% full concentration, 100% stress control management and anxiety, but it is no fun at all.

Holy Shit... That's damn long!!!

SigmaOne wrote:

I can play a lady flex, #7 dead straight, 195m, with 100% full concentration, 100% stress control management and anxiety, but it is no fun at all. It drains my energy away and i cant complete my 18 holes. Eg, last oct after my hole in one, i lost focus and immediately tee to OB.
If the clubs are purchased at the same price same model, everything same, why not get them all fitted? To take out the ??? from the equation, whats left is just me and me alone ( If i stop complaining abt the grass cutters and the wind, LOL )
Bro i am sorry if i did not read yr post correctly, really sorry. Hope u have a nice golfing days. Cheers

Well explained and share, thanks! But that 195m straight shot with #7 L Flex, I don't believe it
Don't bother to say sorry, we are all here to tcss, share value point or rubbish, just take it with a pinch of salt

@Sigma... Out of curiosity... Where was this 7i 195m shot attained?
Was this at a range or on flightscope?

Btw... Was the club delofted? Enabling it to fly 195m?
Would you be able to replicate the shot again? Maybe put it on YouTube this time?

JonL_TK wrote:

@Sigma... Out of curiosity... Where was this 7i 195m shot attained?
Was this at a range or on flightscope?

Btw... Was the club delofted? Enabling it to fly 195m?
Would you be able to replicate the shot again? Maybe put it on YouTube this time?

We can always fix a date. By the way if the request is off topic, kindly pm me instead. A very big thank you.

Just so everyone knows, i too can hit 7iron with lady flex shaft and get 196meter

I just need 3 shots to do that

Dstruc wrote:

C'mon Asahi! Sigma is just sharing... Why such comment? Be open and we can learn something, right?

@sigma - I think I got the 1st video. It seems like the puring helps to stabilize the reaction/ movement of the shaft. But I don't really understand the mechanics of video 2, how does 'Flo' help a golfer? Can please you elaborate?

Hi Dstrc, i am merely stating my thought on this posting; as in, does puring the shaft help us social golfers much, if the golfer has a sound swing and all else equal. I am putting my thought from the point of a consumer.

@sigma, maybe our definition of 'sound swing' differs lah. But Tiger and Rory dun hv a sound swing!!?? Hmmm.....

Also, can you recommend a pair of golf shoe for us golfers here?
And yr 7-iron goes 195m!!!! Pwah......

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asahi wrote:

Dstruc wrote:

C'mon Asahi! Sigma is just sharing... Why such comment? Be open and we can learn something, right?

@sigma - I think I got the 1st video. It seems like the puring helps to stabilize the reaction/ movement of the shaft. But I don't really understand the mechanics of video 2, how does 'Flo' help a golfer? Can please you elaborate?

Hi Dstrc, i am merely stating my thought on this posting; as in does puring the shaft will help us social golfers much, if the golfer has a sound swing and all else equal. I am putting my thought from the point of a consumer.

@sigma, maybe our definition of 'sound swing' differs lah. But Tiger and Rory dun hv a sound swing!!?? Hmmm.....

Also, can you recommend a pair of golf shoe for us golfers here?
And yr 7-iron goes 195m!!!! Pwah......

For golf shoes, it must be 10 spikes, the addidas carbon (highly recommended). There are other models and brands too. Now the flat spikeless shoes are very popular, but i think golf shoes are golf shoes, casual are causal shoes, jogging are jogging shoes.

If Tiger think his swing is sound, he wouldnt be changing it. To him his expectations are much higher than everyone else. I agreed our definitions are different, its ok. If u can recall he is paid abt $10m to play Nike, when Phil criticize his inferior equipments he got upset. But from my observations, he switch his Driver and he starts spraying all over the place, before he is playing steel shaft, he is extremely accurate and precise and super long when he win his first Masters.

My point is either everyone has a sound swing or everyone dont have one, is not the discussion. I am trying to establish to take the equipment out of the equation, then we can focus and pin point our mistakes or maybe blame the weather LOLx.

Sidetrack a little, the 195m shot was a challenge by a client, taught by a petty swing coach, lol. Maybe he is reading this too. He is my witness Lol again.

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Sidetrack a little, the 195m shot was a challenge by a client, taught by a petty swing coach, lol. Maybe he is reading this too. He is my witness Lol again.

Wah Sei V Impressive!!
Bro Side track a little more : can share whats ur regular distance with ur WITB #7 Miura Tournament Blades w Rifle Flighted Shafts (guessing ur flex is S or X).... on a good stressfree positive day w nice weather and no noise?

Chey, I tot it was done at a range. Use ur own flightscope might as well use TW13 on Xbox.

My friend use TW for 7i on cheat mode also oni max it out at 180m. Made fairways rock hard n super duper wind also no use. Think ur flightscope more ex that's why.

But anyway, ur topic is on shaft puring, flo etc etc etc but I oni see u cut n paste fotos from Internet. Might help if u can add in a little of ur vast knowledge to explain those pics n videos to the unschooled ones like me.

Presentation skills la. Much needed to generate your point across. All I'm reading now is 7i 195m, shoe spikes and petty coaches.