New Thesis on what's wrong with Tiger's swing

just wanna share this from what I read...
and let's hope we can discuss & share your opinion about TW's swing

Once upon a time there was a Tour player so good that the other pros treated him like a god. Fred Couples said, "You get the feeling sometimes that the rest of us are all playing for second place." Tom Watson said, "He has raised the bar to a level only he can reach. Someday I'll tell my grandkids that I played in the same tournament with Tiger Woods."

The record book said pretty much the same thing. From 1999 through 2003, Woods won more than a third of the tournaments he entered. As recently as 2009 his winning percentage hovered near 30%, almost 10 points higher than that of Ben Hogan, the only other pro with a win rate above 20%.

Woods won often, and he also won big. He won his first major, the 1997 Masters, by a record 12 strokes. He ran away with the 2000 U.S. Open by a record 15 strokes, and a month later he won the British Open by eight. The following spring, when he slipped on his second green jacket, he owned all four major titles at the same time. Woods was player of the year every year. He won the Vardon Trophy for low scoring average every year. He was the leading money winner every year.

And he had the best tempo.
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interesting read

Hope Tiger or at least Sean Foley reads the article and give it a try.

the body is tense when you never release...tense muscle = tense swing. Tiger of the old is the most relaxed player on tour, he release every night....anytime he felt tense.

tronos wrote:

the body is tense when you never release...tense muscle = tense swing. Tiger of the old is the most relaxed player on tour, he release every night....anytime he felt tense.

That mean 19 hole is a must to achieve good score.

Its a mind game...

For players at their level, there's only so much you do with your swing or the way you hit...

But it's the mind that takes control...

That's what I learnt from the Malaysian Pro Ben Leong during a game with him recently...

Incredibly good read you posted bro!

Three to one ratio. Very interesting

gravity is a constant, but what does it has to do with the back swing ? is that the optimum relax / paused moment at the top of the back swing or the body clock to get relax pre downswing.
Never the less a very interesting read.

I think he should just dump Sean Foley and get Hank back.....

And follow by lotsa shagging......

Hell, I dont care how many shaggs he does, so long as he is winning...i dont care...

I have the app, maybe should try using them again on the range.

Khorkar wrote:

I think he should just dump Sean Foley and get Hank back.....

And follow by lotsa shagging......

Hell, I dont care how many shaggs he does, so long as he is winning...i dont care...

yea. Exactly. He sud just employ a mama-san as his coach. Sure win titles one.

nientsu wrote:

Khorkar wrote:

I think he should just dump Sean Foley and get Hank back.....

And follow by lotsa shagging......

Hell, I dont care how many shaggs he does, so long as he is winning...i dont care...

yea. Exactly. He sud just employ a mama-san as his coach. Sure win titles one.

Well-said.

That's the way to go Tiger (if you are reading this!)

nientsu wrote:

Khorkar wrote:

I think he should just dump Sean Foley and get Hank back.....

And follow by lotsa shagging......

Hell, I dont care how many shaggs he does, so long as he is winning...i dont care...

yea. Exactly. He sud just employ a mama-san as his coach. Sure win titles one.

just wondering.. is the rhythm the same as doing the dirty deed?

i sense Sean Foley is one of those discipline guys, no oily food, no sex, no distractions....all meditation, Yoga, Tantric, always in control......while at the core TW is all play, all out, "wham Bam thank you Mam" kinda guy. His played some outrageous shots during his days......

No sex!! Screw golf*

* no pun intended

jurongtiger wrote:

Incredibly good read you posted bro!

Three to one ratio. Very interesting

your welcome
just doing something for this forum site

Well maybe it has to do with the Sexual addiction therapy. Everyone is making him feel that there is something wrong with him, thus maybe feeling there is something wrong with his close to perfect swing. and then he just decides to hire a coach. Maybe if he actually did hire a mamasan like one of the bro's here mentioned, he will win again...lol...

If Sean Foley's reputation is to be respected, it would depend very much on TW winning his first Major under his charge and from there at least another 6 to match the 7 under Hank Haney's. If not SF's reputation may go down with TW.

TW probably may not be as dominant as he did previously as many players have improved a lot.

Tiger's swing as an amateur, and as a pro before year 2000, was simply a work of art in motion.

Tiger's swing today in comparison is almost unrecognizable.

You can see him struggling mechanically with the swing instead of letting it flow and play golf.

Whatever the strengths of the Sean Foley style and the modern style of setting up on the left side, and keeping the weight on the left side, it does not fit Tiger. On this point, I think Rocco Mediate was right. The staying centered modern trend is not athletic, and does not allow Tiger to maximize his athleticism.

It might fit a lesser athlete like Hunter Mahan better, getting him close to winning some big titles, but still, observe how Mahan struggles with lack of feel in the short game. That's the result of painting by numbers.

Tiger shot 3 rounds of 68 at Frys. Day 1 he shot 75. Louis Oosthuizen and some kid amature were driving it past Tiger at almost every fairway. What?

If our ancestors threw spears at wild beasts using the staying centered and weight starts left and stays on the left approach, we might not even be here today.

So, either Tiger finds someway to make the current swing work, or fires the coach and finds a more natural swing, or he will fade into oblivion, a shadow of himself. I sincerely hope it's not the last scenario.

Could it be that he is building too much muscles for his own good. Like what Vijay said some years ago, TW will have to make adjustments as he grew physically. He is no longer the skinny boy and is now full of muscles and no longer as fluid as when he was younger. And that could prove detrimental to his overall game. I am not sure and I am no expert, just my thoughts.

TDO wrote:

Could it be that he is building too much muscles for his own good. Like what Vijay said some years ago, TW will have to make adjustments as he grew physically. He is no longer the skinny boy and is now full of muscles and no longer as fluid as when he was younger. And that could prove detrimental to his overall game. I am not sure and I am no expert, just my thoughts.

If the bulk is reducing his range of motion, then definitely it is a liability.

A swing that fits a skinny boy and a muscular guy will not be the same; I think Vijay has a point here.

now days have nightly training to bulk up his arms....obviously not helping...the funny thing is he complains about his putting like i do...like the fault to his bad scores is all in his putting.

tronos wrote:

now days have nightly training to bulk up his arms....obviously not helping...the funny thing is he complains about his putting like i do...like the fault to his bad scores is all in his putting.

Muscles do not help with feel. It might hinder it.

Scar tissue, or micro fibre build-up is an area yet to be fully researched, but there are enough anecdotes for me to take it seriously.

However, the thing about Tiger's putting is, he said he changed every swing, from driver to irons to short game, including putting.

And, from what we can tell so far, Tiger's new move is not conducive to the short game. Putting is not like what it was before. He is taking 2 shots just to get out of greenside bunkers instead of getting up and down.

It's like watching a car wreck in slow motion.

Golfers like Fred Couple and Angel Caberra who are not muscular and look over weight can drive the ball 300 yards in excess. The moral of the story is, one does not need rippling muscle like Camilio Villegas or Tiger Woods to drive far.

Whats wrong with Tiger's swing.....

ANSWER: NOT ENOUGH SEC.

Tiger,

Please do some more shagging... hell, if you can please go foursome or more..

Turbo wrote:

Golfers like Fred Couple and Angel Caberra who are not muscular and look over weight can drive the ball 300 yards in excess. The moral of the story is, one does not need rippling muscle like Camilio Villegas or Tiger Woods to drive far.

That is a very good point...