Stack and Tilt

Been reading a bit about this on wrx, anyone teaches this swing method locally? I understand the classic swing is still a tried and tested method, but having tested it today at the range, i find that stack and tilt produces pretty consistent results for me on the irons, didn't dare try it with the driver.

It is not taught locally, There are people who can teach it, but not as the "preferred" teaching method.

Any update on this?

Erm , i've been using this for about 3weeks now . Results are more consistent . I dont know why , but it works better with the driver than the iron . Nonetheless , both gave a consistent result .

if I dun remember wrongly, when I had my lesson with jhan sometime ago, this was taught to me...maybe you would like to confirm this with jhan again.....

Sorry mate but I don't teach stack and tilt and I don't advocate the method

This thread is a bit old. Like to find out who in SG teaches Stack and Tilt.
I tried out all kind swings, so far this S&T seems to work for me. I was skeptical in the beginning though but decides to give it a try. Would like to get a proper lesson instead of reading from the internet and trying out on my own.

EHHHH HANBAO.

i think stack and tilt very interesting eh.

its generally for experienced and strong players and the pivot will be only on your left foot.

plummer and bennett said also its only for players who already has the muscle memory of hitting the ball at the same spot all the time. so i wouldnt recommend it to like the common average golfer.

nojackdontdoit wrote:

plummer and bennett said also its only for players who already has the muscle memory of hitting the ball at the same spot all the time.

Coach ... you sure about this? If its true, I'd be very surprised! One of the primary benefits of S & T is that there's no movement away from the ball, and therefore hitting the ball at the same spot becomes .. much easier!!!

i read a couple of articles and needless to say , if someone doesnt have the ability to contact sweetly its going to be hard.

because of its unnatural tilting , i wouldnt recommend this to the average joe.

tilting left on the backswing sounds and looks weird alrdy but its proven that once you grasp that concept , your body will not move away from the ball thus easier to hit the ball at the same spot all the time.

lets say an average beginner learns this i dont think he can change back to the normal conventional swing with ease but with experienced players even with a weird or unorthodox backswing they can still contact the ball .

Check this out... http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-instruction/2010-09/photos-stack-tilt-sean-foley#slide=1

Appears Sean foley advocates similar teachings to the stack and tilt method. I personally like foley's swing and am trying to follow it

I have read the S&T book, watched numerous videos on youtube and have been trying out this swing method. I must say I am not entirely there yet but I am seeing good results especially with irons and fariway wood. I can feel the sweet contacts with my irons and I certainly don't think the tilting on the backswing is anything but unnatural.

Played yesterday for the first time after 2-3 weeks of "intensive" training on this swing. I wasn't quite able to launch my driver high but it did give me a lot of roll and luckily the ground was hard. I need to remind myself to slide my hips forward on the downswing and tuck in my butt after that.

I am still have a bit of a problem with dropping my left shoulder on the downswing which resulted in swinging too flat. I also need to use my shoulders more and less with my arms since I overswing a lot. Overall, it is really good and I believe my game should improve further.

nutty88 wrote:

I have read the S&T book, watched numerous videos on youtube and have been trying out this swing method. I must say I am not entirely there yet but I am seeing good results especially with irons and fariway wood. I can feel the sweet contacts with my irons and I certainly don't think the tilting on the backswing is anything but unnatural.

Played yesterday for the first time after 2-3 weeks of "intensive" training on this swing. I wasn't quite able to launch my driver high but it did give me a lot of roll and luckily the ground was hard. I need to remind myself to slide my hips forward on the downswing and tuck in my butt after that.

I am still have a bit of a problem with dropping my left shoulder on the downswing which resulted in swinging too flat. I also need to use my shoulders more and less with my arms since I overswing a lot. Overall, it is really good and I believe my game should improve further.

If you are serious about S&T .. order the new DVD set ... Stack and Tilt 2.0 ... highly recommended

@Tourswing, I am not sure what is in the DVD that are not covered in the book (less the videos of course), so care to share?

Basically, I find that the book describes the swing method very well and I just have to be patience to practice it.

nutty88 wrote:

@Tourswing, I am not sure what is in the DVD that are not covered in the book (less the videos of course), so care to share?

Basically, I find that the book describes the swing method very well and I just have to be patience to practice it.

The book is definitely good ... and the original dvd was ok at best ... the new DVD is awesome!

DVD 1/4 ... a video of a typical S&T clinic they do ... nothing to write home about
DVD 2/4 ... the breakdown of the S&T swing ... like the original DVD ... but much more mature presentation ... better and detailed.
DVD 3/4 ... a separate section on the driver ... wow!!! all the unanswered questions from the book illustrated with detail ... also a drills section which is good for ppl new to the model
DVD 4/4 ... Half an hour of pure unadulterated artistry ... around 8 pga pros hitting their 6I and driver ... with no annoying commentary ... assisted with trackman numbers, pressure pad readings showing changes in weight distribution, and pro tracer showing the flight ...

I would buy the DVD set for the fourth DVD alone ... just watch it for a bit ... and you start hitting the most beautiful draws ... amazing how your eyes can teach you the stroke!

Thanks Tourswing for the information. Will certainly consider.

Are you on S&T as well?

Anyone know what is the different between this S&T swing and the Right Side Swing ?

anyone wanna order this together?

http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/stackandtilt.htm

anyone read this? i only just saw it but took note of the harm it could do to the body..

nutty88 wrote:

Thanks Tourswing for the information. Will certainly consider.

Are you on S&T as well?

Not a 100%, but I have incorporated bits and pieces ... never knew what compression felt like until I tried S and T ... changed my game forever!

Slicer51 wrote:

Anyone know what is the different between this S&T swing and the Right Side Swing ?

Here you go ...

http://www.golfrepublic.org/t11924-different-between-stack-and-tilt-swing-and-right-side-swing

do note this is from the perspective of a Right Sided Swing coach!

essentiale wrote:

http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/stackandtilt.htm

anyone read this? i only just saw it but took note of the harm it could do to the body..

From the S&T website:

Critics: What They Say

Top criticisms:

Injury : It will hurt the golfers back.

We have had the largest quantity of players of any instructor on the tour over the past four years. Not one of our players have missed even a single tournament to injury. Compare that to Tiger Woods, the world’s greatest player who misses 8 months due to major knee surgery. Paul Casey, another top player missed 8 months with broken ribs which resulted from a drill he was working on with Peter Kostis. Greg Norman, former No. 1 player in the world recently had back surgery. Yet their methods or instructors are not considered to cause injuries. This is because the techniques they use are so vaguely described, they are at best abstract. This makes them difficult to criticize. Doctors have scrutinized the Stack & Tilt® swing many times, all of which result in their supporting our method as safe for the golfer’s back. Only those who do not fully investigate it are left leveling that criticism.

Some teasers from DVD 4:

My personal experience after taking a bunch of lessons with them to tryout the RSS with the now defunct Gary Edwin and Peter Senior Academy at OCC many moons ago - its not for everyone

At one point our national team were all coached by the RSS coaches. So there are good things bout that method. It was a joy for me to watch the RSS players strike the ball. Effortless power!

My personal take is that for someone starting the game, it's great to learn RSS. for those who has been playing for a while, it's a bit challenging to switch to RSS. I gave up. Not enough time and talent to make the switch.

Just sharing. Like with any swing change, expect your scores to plummet until you ingrained the new swing. One must commit time to practice, to persevere, to get coaching. Else it will be a long hard road as I think RSS is quite a radically different way to swing. But those who achieve it will enjoy the fruits of labour! Good luck!

More links on RSS and SnT
http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-instruction/2007-06/stackandtilt3_gd0706
http://www.golflink.com/about_4492_stack-tilt-golf-method.html
http://www.golftipsmag.com/instruction/full-swing/lessons/its-a-right-sided-swing.html