Lo Hei Game on 8 Feb 12 - The Admin Thread

I hope it won't happen third time on lohei game

u start first.


but just because i am from the other team, most probably, I will be the one that kena yellow card.

no lah...sayang sayang you...we same industry....Sorry TD, we OT liao....

guy013 wrote:

over fence should not be OB as the OB markers are only below the netting. anything before and after the netting is not OB, but there is a fence.

From my understanding if ball over the fence then is not OB but rather unplayable. also cannot be LOST BALL since i can clearly see my call on other side of the fence. 1 penalty stroke and nearest point of relief. (not point of entry)

If the ball is on this side of the fence but right at the bottom and cannot swing, i am inclined to think that this should be free relief, same as swing being blocked by lamp post or electrical boxes. therefore no penalty, nearest relief not close to pin.

am i right i saying the above?

above scenario actually happened to me (both scenarios) on MBGC last week

If over the fence is not OB(out of bounds) i don't know what constitudes to OB, by definition here http://golf.about.com/cs/golfterms/g/bldef_outofboun.htm

"Definition: Those areas outside the course from which play is not allowed, or any area designated as out of bounds by the committee.

Out of bounds will be marked in some way - often by the use of stakes or some barrier (a fenceline, for example). Items used to designate OB are not considered obstructions, are considered to be fixed, and therefore cannot be removed in order to play.

In all cases, the innermost portion of whatever is designating OB is itself considered out of bounds. For example, if stakes are used to mark OB, then the inside of the stake is where OB begins; if a line is on the ground, then the line itself is considered OB.

A ball is considered out of bounds when all of it is outside the boundaries."






So when your ball is beyond the fence, its simply OUT OF BOUNDS of the golf course.

As my mentor always says, " Fairway so big, you must hit there... better to quit golf"

If I am not mistaken.

The fenceline will constitude as interference and hence you can take relief under the rule obstruction.


"Immovable Obstruction a. Interference Interference by an immovable obstruction occurs when a ball lies in or on the obstruction, or when the obstruction interferes with the player's stance or the area of his intended swing. If the player's ball lies on the putting green, interference also occurs if an immovable obstruction on the putting green intervenes on his line of putt. Otherwise, intervention on the line of play is not, of itself, interference under this Rule. b. Relief Except when the ball is in a water hazard or a lateral water hazard, a player may take relief from interference by an immovable obstruction as follows: (i)Through the Green:If the ball lies through the green, the player must lift the ball and drop it, without penalty, within one club-length of and not nearer the hole than the nearest point of relief. The nearest point of relief must not be in a hazard or on a putting green. When the ball is dropped within one club-length of the nearest point of relief, the ball must first strike a part of the course at a spot that avoids interference by the immovable obstruction and is not in a hazard and not on a putting green. (ii)In a Bunker: If the ball is in a bunker, the player must lift the ball and drop it either: (a) Without penalty, in accordance with Clause(i) above, except that the nearest point of relief must be in the bunker and the ball must be dropped in the bunker; or (b) Under penalty of one stroke, outside the bunker keeping the point where the ball lay directly between the hole and the spot on which the ball is dropped, with no limit to how far behind the bunker the ball may be dropped. (iii)On the Putting Green: If the ball lies on the putting green, the player must lift the ball and place it, without penalty, at the nearest point of relief that is not in a hazard. The nearest point of relief may be off the putting green. (iv)On the Teeing Ground:If the ball lies on the teeing ground, the player must lift the ball and drop it, without penalty, in accordance with Clause(i) above. The ball may be cleaned when lifted under this Rule. (Ball rolling to a position where there is interference by the condition from which relief was taken - see Rule 20-2c(v).) Exception: A player may not take relief under this Rule if (a) it is clearly unreasonable for him to make a stroke because of interference by anything other than an immovable obstruction or (b) interference by an immovable obstruction would occur only through use of an unnecessarily abnormal stance, swing or direction of play. Note 1: If a ball is in a water hazard (including a lateral water hazard), the player may not take relief from interference by an immovable obstruction. The player must play the ball as it lies or proceed under Rule 26-1. Note 2: If a ball to be dropped or placed under this Rule is not immediately recoverable, another ball may be substituted. Note 3: The Committee may make a Local Rule stating that the player must determine the nearest point of relief without crossing over, through or under the obstruction."

I think on the scorecard, it indicates that the fence line on that hole is consider O.B.

wheres derek?????????

guy013 wrote:

over fence should not be OB as the OB markers are only below the netting. anything before and after the netting is not OB, but there is a fence.

From my understanding if ball over the fence then is not OB but rather unplayable. also cannot be LOST BALL since i can clearly see my call on other side of the fence. 1 penalty stroke and nearest point of relief. (not point of entry)

If the ball is on this side of the fence but right at the bottom and cannot swing, i am inclined to think that this should be free relief, same as swing being blocked by lamp post or electrical boxes. therefore no penalty, nearest relief not close to pin.

am i right i saying the above?

above scenario actually happened to me (both scenarios) on MBGC last week

Just to help clarify. No offence intended Guy.

Out of fence is definitely OB. The perimeter fencing is considered the boundary of the golf course and should be treated as such.

Please refer to the local rules at the back of the MBGC scorecard for details.

If the ball is inside the course at the base of the fence, then play as it lies or declare unplayable. No FREE relief.

For MGK members, there is a free copy of the 2012 Rules of Golf Handbook available at the MGK office. It is a nice handy size that goes comfortably into your pocket or golfbag.

Is that consider door gift for the lo-hei game from MBGC ? hehehe

Please note that you do not get free relief from OB stakes as well.

Ok cool. New thing learnt everyday. Must polish up on my rules knowledge then.

Since Derek is here. Is it true also that if
My ball strikes a lamp post I am allowed to retake the shot from original position without penalty?

Derek wrote:

guy013 wrote:

over fence should not be OB as the OB markers are only below the netting. anything before and after the netting is not OB, but there is a fence.

From my understanding if ball over the fence then is not OB but rather unplayable. also cannot be LOST BALL since i can clearly see my call on other side of the fence. 1 penalty stroke and nearest point of relief. (not point of entry)

If the ball is on this side of the fence but right at the bottom and cannot swing, i am inclined to think that this should be free relief, same as swing being blocked by lamp post or electrical boxes. therefore no penalty, nearest relief not close to pin.

am i right i saying the above?

above scenario actually happened to me (both scenarios) on MBGC last week

Just to help clarify. No offence intended Guy.

Out of fence is definitely OB. The perimeter fencing is considered the boundary of the golf course and should be treated as such.

Please refer to the local rules at the back of the MBGC scorecard for details.

If the ball is inside the course at the base of the fence, then play as it lies or declare unplayable. No FREE relief.

For MGK members, there is a free copy of the 2012 Rules of Golf Handbook available at the MGK office. It is a nice handy size that goes comfortably into your pocket or golfbag.

Derek, do MBGC members get a copy? OR must be MGK members only?

guy013 wrote:

Since Derek is here. Is it true also that if
My ball strikes a lamp post I am allowed to retake the shot from original position without penalty?

yes u may replay the shot .. lamposts / power boxes not considered intergral part of course.

Technospaz wrote:

Derek, do MBGC members get a copy? OR must be MGK members only?

your peanuts every year is barely enough to cover the cost of the plastic card and maintenance of the system storing your information. do not think u will be getting a free rule book as well...

Agumon wrote:

guy013 wrote:

Since Derek is here. Is it true also that if
My ball strikes a lamp post I am allowed to retake the shot from original position without penalty?

yes u may replay the shot .. lamposts / power boxes not considered intergral part of course.

I think it must be indicated in the local rules for it to be valid right?

mUAr_cHEe wrote:

Technospaz wrote:

Derek, do MBGC members get a copy? OR must be MGK members only?

your peanuts every year is barely enough to cover the cost of the plastic card and maintenance of the system storing your information. do not think u will be getting a free rule book as well...

Cheeky bast.

member of non mentioned

Thanks Derek for the inputs.

Added one more rule on pg.1

Asahi. Can add the rule if hit lamp post then allowed to retake without penalty.

the most important question that we should ask Derek is: will the red tees be shifted to white on that day?

zhenxua wrote:

the most important question that we should ask Derek is: will the red tees be shifted to white on that day?

I like this post!

@Guy, will give it a bit more thought on the lamppost one.

guy013 wrote:

Asahi. Can add the rule if hit lamp post then allowed to retake without penalty.

I believe KLJ flight has full support on this... Since it is part of our strategy to distract opponents, including oopponents of other flights...

Come on lah.... show some standard leh. If lampost not in play cannot allow retake lah.











Once again... talking so much when i am not playing.