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PostSubject: More about the Zen Blades RDE   More about the Zen Blades RDE I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 06, 2009 11:32 am

this is a pretty long one so if understanding more about putter or what makes a great putt is not your cup of tea, stay clear.

Face Balance and Sweet Spot

Before I got into this putter development project, there were some areas that I did not know about.

I will start with a least known and understood area - by adjusting the lie of a putter we will alter the face balance and shift the sweet spot of the putter. I bet SC knew but did nothing about it.

Putter Weight

In the putter market today, manufacturers are offering different weighted putter head to suit demands. Often the solution is making adding weight at the sole or flange so that the total weight is achieved. This also help to lower cost by having just 1 putter head and different weight ports to achieve a range of weights from 340 to 360g as in the case of Scotty Camerons. However what they have not disclosed is when a putter is bent more than ½ degree, there is an obvious change to the Face Balance and the Sweet Spot of the putter.

For most golfers they will not be able to tell the difference but in the hands of a highly sensitive player, there is quite a change.

I have attached a couple of diagrams to show you what I mean.

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heres another look from the top...

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If we use the same head and bend the lie by one to two degrees, you can see that there is an effect on the sweet spot as well as the face balance of the putter. The software that was used to design this putter has the ability to calculate the FB to 1/1000 of a degree.

How do we design and built a constant FB putter?

It starts from an accurate putter design using a proven state of the art software system. The designers are able to calculate everything from FB to sweet spot location and weight distribution. What followed next is milling each putter individually, from a solid block of SS 303, within a fixed tolerance and strict milling process. This tolerance includes the weight, the lie, the variable face loft, depth of RDE mill and MOI reading.

And to achieve what they did on the RDE face, it calls for a high-speed ultra-capable freeloading CNC milling machine. I did not know that a machine like this is aerospace graded and require a special permit from the US government to install. So it’s no surprise that Bettinardi who has the same CNC machine holds an advantage over many of its competitors including SC and TP mills.

The ZO Blade RDE putters is designed and developed in a facility with 34 General graded free loading milling machines and 2 Aerospace Grade CNC machines.

We are currently pursing the course to develop a 345 and a 355 putter, both in 69 and 71degrees lie. By doing so, we have to create 4 SKU (stock keeping unit) instead of just one head and different weights.

But why do we do it when it is easier to produce just one head with different weights and even changeable hosels.

So what is it that Zen is offering to their user?

It is important that we constantly remind ourselves when we bring on new products that we need to think of effects and not features. So what’s the effect of the all the manufacturing technology behind this putter?

1. It allows us to meticulously and accurately create the RDE (Reduced Dimple Technology) on every putter face. The RDE is a proven patented technology that increases accuracy of every putt. (see footnote)

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The effects are a more definite roll off the putter face, an exceptional pleasant and soft feel upon impact and accuracy on the intended line.


2. When we minimize the need to alter the lie of the putter we ensure that the sweet spot stays constant to the original specifications. This eliminates the possibility of adverse club head rotation and reduces side-spin when the stroke is off centre.

3. When a putter orientation is off, it will affect inertia in the stroke, which in turn change stroke mechanics.

Effects for 2 and 3 are not something that many golfers can immediately relate to because until now, they have not tried the range of putters that offers the quality of the ball roll off the face, in both sweet and off hits. That’s probably the reason why those who have tried the Zen prototype want more than just trying them.

4. Last but not least is the finesse of the product itself. I am a collector of all kinds of putters and if we compare the prototype Zen to the likes of the Tour Bettinardi and even the Circle T, I can say that besides the goodwill of the brand, we probably spent more creating this baby than what SC spent on producing the Circle T 009 or RJB on the Tour Bettinardis.

The Zen Oracle inventor and founder, Nick Middleton wanted to produce a putter that’s as accurate and precise as possible but more importantly, he wants to set Zen apart from the rest of the retail products immediately. His brief was to produce a Tour Specs customisable product but produced in a manner that the average golfer can get the opportunity to own and use one without burning a hole in the pocket.

I am very honoured to be involved in this project and I believe the extra effort in manufacturing process and investment in cost is worth it as exacting precision in each putter is instantly noticeable and felt when one takes the first stroke.

Footnote:

The Zen Oracle Blade RDE is not available commercially until late or early next year. We are still in prototyping stage and this is not solicitation to procure orders.

What is RDE?

RDE Technology counteracts the adverse effect of the golf ball dimples.
Scientific evaluation and development with players on the US & European Tours has proven that “dimple error” can cause perfect aligned putts to miss the hole from only five feet.
Zen RDE Series features the patented “Ready” RDE (Reduced Dimple Error) technology. Precisely designed micro ridges are milled into the putter face that minimize contact with the ball and improves impact dispersion of 50%. The results being that putts stay online, roll beautifully and have a feel that is both soft and responsive coming off of the face for maximum confidence and control.

all diagrams and photos are properties of Zen Oracle, UK and cannot be reproduced with prior approval.


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PostSubject: Re: More about the Zen Blades RDE   More about the Zen Blades RDE I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 06, 2009 11:38 am

Prof. Eric, when you expand to Napa style putter head and looking for guinea pig... pls pls pls let me be one of the first to order/try... I will even forget the fact that you sold me un-fitted Ping sedona Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: More about the Zen Blades RDE   More about the Zen Blades RDE I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 06, 2009 11:40 am

AND will bring Char Tau Kuay on my next visit... Frostee, you have any request?
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PostSubject: Re: More about the Zen Blades RDE   More about the Zen Blades RDE I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 06, 2009 11:42 am

watermyforrest wrote:
Prof. Eric, when you expand to Napa style putter head and looking for guinea pig... pls pls pls let me be one of the first to order/try... I will even forget the fact that you sold me un-fitted Ping sedona Rolling Eyes
Oh.. no wonder I don't see the Ping Sedona in BFG anymore?? hahaha Smile

Uppz for an interesting article...
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PostSubject: Re: More about the Zen Blades RDE   More about the Zen Blades RDE I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 06, 2009 11:53 am

Hi Boss,

I have a question - is having the right "neck" important? of is it just a matter of preference? Is it true that different kind of putting strokes will require different kind of "neck"? or is it just a myth?
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PostSubject: Re: More about the Zen Blades RDE   More about the Zen Blades RDE I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 06, 2009 12:42 pm

that is something that i will cover if the response for more information is keen.

we hope to cover the types of heads, the effect of hosel offset and the question on everyone's mind...which putter works for me.

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PostSubject: Re: More about the Zen Blades RDE   More about the Zen Blades RDE I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 06, 2009 1:04 pm

Awesome post, Eric. This really shed light on some issues which had confused me in the past. Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: More about the Zen Blades RDE   More about the Zen Blades RDE I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 06, 2009 1:36 pm

Eric...replacement putter needed sooner than u think since mine kenna kapo by your preferred customer.
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PostSubject: Re: More about the Zen Blades RDE   More about the Zen Blades RDE I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 06, 2009 2:08 pm

boss, dun mai guan zi leh... quick... more information please:)
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PostSubject: Re: More about the Zen Blades RDE   More about the Zen Blades RDE I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 06, 2009 2:28 pm

i dun need a thesis. i need the putter.

why are we waiting?

why are we waiting?
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PostSubject: Re: More about the Zen Blades RDE   More about the Zen Blades RDE I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 06, 2009 2:30 pm

mUAr_cHEe wrote:
i dun need a thesis. i need the putter.

why are we waiting?

why are we waiting?

here! here! cheers
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PostSubject: Re: More about the Zen Blades RDE   More about the Zen Blades RDE I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 06, 2009 2:34 pm

yeah ... napa style as well
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PostSubject: Re: More about the Zen Blades RDE   More about the Zen Blades RDE I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 06, 2009 5:12 pm

MC you will get your putter when the time comes and when the product is truly ready...

currently we are still making adjustments.

but one thing is for sure...lamts18 is going to get his 355 g left hand midslant at about the same time as J. Han.

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PostSubject: Re: More about the Zen Blades RDE   More about the Zen Blades RDE I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 06, 2009 5:20 pm

i am getting used to the ping now. today only at most 3 putted at warren...



but believe the RDE will serve me better...
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PostSubject: Re: More about the Zen Blades RDE   More about the Zen Blades RDE I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 06, 2009 5:21 pm

DGman wrote:
MC you will get your putter when the time comes and when the product is truly ready...

currently we are still making adjustments.

but one thing is for sure...lamts18 is going to get his 355 g left hand midslant at about the same time as J. Han.

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Thank you, Thank you, Dr Ng.. cheers cheers

PS. can make it 34" and 345gm ? and with the Ping grip please...
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PostSubject: Re: More about the Zen Blades RDE   More about the Zen Blades RDE I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 06, 2009 7:20 pm

DGman wrote:
that is something that i will cover if the response for more information is keen.

we hope to cover the types of heads, the effect of hosel offset and the question on everyone's mind...which putter works for me.

DGman

Prof Eric, can elaborate on the necks and heads and hosel please....

that will probably interest a lot of golfers as there so many type of putters out there and mose sales or even coaches will says " Putter very individual one.. see which one suit your eyes and can putt into the hole, that will be the putter for you "

If not convenient, I will come to the den and take lesson from you..hehehe
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PostSubject: Re: More about the Zen Blades RDE   More about the Zen Blades RDE I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 06, 2009 7:23 pm

been wanting to know the reason for the different type of neck for putters.... dun mind technical stuffs, can understand, ask u again lor
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